Was Heath murdered by the Hollywood elite...aka the Illuminati???
Thursday, June 25, 2009
Another Video
This is the Fox News video with Geraldo in HD....at the 4:15 left mark in the video until 4:10...you see the upper body lifting off the gurney like he's adjusting himself.
It's just after 10 pm, California time. I was just watching Larry King on CNN. They had a live report from Michael Jackson's rented Los Angeles house. Behind the reporter was a police tow truck. She said there have been several police tow trucks there and they would be there all through the night. She said she asked the police what the tow trucks were for but didn't get an answer. She's hoping to see what it is they're towing when they drive away. Larry King said, "That's very strange." Yeah, very strange.
Wow, that was so much better quality then the last one. You can definetly see the body moving in this one. That is so freaky...Maybe we may have anothher celebrity fake death. I can understand why he would do it. Maybe it was just the angle of the camera but that was a different perspective then the last video and we still so the body lift up so it odviously wasn't the angle. What the hell is going on?!
Police tow trucks, a missing doctor, and death by the painkiller drug Demerol? The story continues...
From the UK Times Online:
June 26, 2009
LAPD 'searching for Michael Jackson doctor'
Los Angeles police are searching for Michael Jackson's personal physician today to question him after allegations that the star received a potentially fatal dose of the painkiller Demerol before his death.
Earlier reports suggested that Jackson might have been given a large dose of the drug to help deal with pain after rehearsals for a series of 50 comeback concerts in London.
Los Angeles police spokeswoman Karen Rayner says that police had towed a BMW owned by one of the singer's doctors from Jackson’s house.
She said: “We have not been able to interview the doctor yet. His car was impounded because it may contain medications or other evidence that may assist the coroner in determining the cause of death.”
Ms Rayner added that the doctor was not under criminal investigation but coroner’s investigators wanted to contact him.
Family members told TMZ that Jackson had received his daily shot of Demerol at 11.30am, but the dosage was "too much".
It seems as simple as the way it is put in the following news article from The Sun in the UK. It makes a believable story, except for other nagging details that are questionable. I still wonder if this is a pre-written script. The motive and means for this to be fake still exists.
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An Emergency Room source at UCLA hospital said Jackson aides told medics he had collapsed after an injection of potent Demerol — similar to morphine.
A Jacko source said: “Shortly after taking the Demerol he started to experience slow shallow breathing.
“His breathing gradually got slower and slower until it stopped.
“His staff started mouth-to-mouth and an ambulance was called which got there in eight minutes “But found he was in full respiratory arrest, no breathing and no pulse. They started full CPR and rushed him to hospital.
“When he arrived they started resuscitation, giving him heart shocks and inserted a breathing tube and other supportive measures to try and save his life.
“He never regained consciousness. The family was told that he had passed.”
You know what just occurred to me? We ALREADY have the Michael Jackson 911 call, (although there are speculations that he might not be dead as- well). However, we know that in Heath's case, the masseuse called 911 EVENTUALLY, why don't we have that call? Maybe we do and I have just never heard it, but where is it? Interesting ......
its quite obvious that michael jackson has passed away. his bodybag was way too big for him not to be in it. just because heath faked his death, it doesn't mean that when another celeb passes away. that you automatically think, "oh he faked his death." its not like that. michael was going to start touring again. and he was excited for that. and i don't think he would want to fake his death right before the biggest tour of his life. we all know that heath faked his death. but just because heath did. it doesn't mean that every other celeb would do the same thing. lets get real. michael has passed away, and he's in a better place now.
Here's a list of celebrities who have died since June, 2008, and these are only the most well-known from a long list. Has anyone thought that ANY of these deaths were fake? No, not any of them, not until Michael Jackson.
Beatrice Arthur Majel Barrett Richard “Mr” Blackwell David Carradine Michael Crichton Michael Debakey Dom DeLuise Farrah Fawcett Estelle Getty Paul Harvey Isaac Hayes Jesse Helms Van Johnson Eartha Kitt Berenard “Bernie Mac” McCullough Patrick McGoohan Ed McMahon Ricardo Montalban Paul Newman Jerry Reed Wendy Richard Natasha Richardson Alexander Solzhenitsyn John Updike Sunny von Bulow James Whitmore
i still think that michael jackson has passed on. like i said, he was so excited for his tour, why would he want to do this all of a sudden? and it was obvious that heath faked his death. his bodybag was so flat.
One of my coworkers also told me she heard a report (I think it was 1010wins or cnn) that Michael Jackson used to fake his own death right in front of the kids as a joke. Not sure how true this is exactly, but just throwing it out there.
Also, there's now reports of a time-delay discrepancy calling 911
Heath's death and Michael Jackson's death might not be directly related, but in my mind they are connected. One connection is Johnny Depp. Remember "Heath's beach" on his inaccessible island? And who was the first and so far only actor put forward to play Jackson if there is a movie made about him? Depp. He was even asked about it, although he denied it. Still, it seems there are dots to be connected here.
I've been keeping up with the MJ developments with the idea in mind that it might be a hoax. When I watched Jermaine interviewed by Larry King it was very sad and depressing and convincing. I wouldn't say that Jermaine would lie about this, but is it possible even he might not know what really happened? I don't know much about the Jacksons but Jermaine seems to be the one who has always been closest to Michael and who always speaks for him. On the other hand, could it be possible that Jermaine might be protecting Michael in this if he was in danger and had to escape?
For the rest of us we can only go by what we see in the media. One website I've been watching has this new post:
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.com/?p=174
I haven't been closely watching MJ over the years and don't know if his appearance has recently changed again, but is that really him at the March press conference in London for the This Is It tour? This website points out many differences. It seems like it's possible that was not him at the press conference, but even if it wasn't him, what does that mean exactly? It doesn't for certain mean the real MJ is either dead or alive, it just adds to the mystery.
There are many things about MJ's appearance that could have changed recently but some things can't be altered. The main thing I think that cannot be faked or altered and that can identify a person for sure is their hands. Finger length is a "biomarker." In a comment someone said the "imposter's" fingers are shorter than the real MJ's. I watched both of those videos closely and paused both when he holds his hands up where you can see his finger length, but I'm just not certain. Does anyone else catch something?
Here's the comment that got me interested in paying close attention to the proportion of Michael Jackson's fingers:
***The Guy in London who prompted “This Is It” was not Michael Jackson. His voice was too deep, and if you look at his hands the fingers are short and stumpy. Michael Jackson's hands are elegant and he has long fingers.***
That was on this MJ death hoax website I've been following:
i still think heath is alive. he wasn't in the bodybag. i don't know about michael though. but i don't think he would fake his death right before a tour.
New interview with Heath's father in light of Michael Jackson's death:
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From The Daily Telegraph, Sydney, Australia
Heath Ledger family's pain revived by Michael Jackson's death
July 06, 2009
The death of Michael Jackson has opened some old wounds for the family of Heath Ledger, especially his father Kim, who has admitted there is no one else to blame for his son's death than the actor himself.
Just days after his friends and colleagues came forward in an interview with Vanity Fair magazine to claim a combination of prescription medication, insomnia and the split with Michelle Williams caused the Dark Knight star to "snap", Ledger's Perth-based dad has revealed Jackson's drug-related death has hit too close to home.
Still grieving for his son every day, Kim said the similarities between Heath and Jackson's death had left his family reeling.
"On the day Michael died I spoke to my daughters and former wife Sally and we all had such a down day," he told Woman's Day, which is out today.
"At the end of the day we're all responsible for what goes into us and I blame Heath for not being responsible."
It is the first time he has spoken so bluntly about his son's passing, and is a strong contrast to the emotive acceptance speech he gave at last year's Oscars, where he accepted the award for Best Supporting Actor on behalf of Heath.
While the publicity-hating star combined drugs from a trio of doctors across three different countries, it has been claimed that Jackson had up to eight prescription and narcotic-based drugs in his system at the time of his death on June 25.
I found a little more of the Kim Ledger interview at the Australian Woman's Day magazine website, but it says the full article is in the print edition:
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Jacko – just like Heath
Jacko's death has reopened old wounds for Heath Ledger's family. His dad Kim talks to Natalee Fuhrmann in Perth.
Kim Ledger's grief for his son is with him every day, but the similarities between Heath's overdose from prescription drugs and Michael Jackson's death have left the family reeling.
"On the day Michael died I spoke to my daughters and former wife Sally and we all had such a down day," Kim says.
It has been almost 18 months since Heath, 28, was found in his rented New York bachelor pad, unconscious after taking a toxic combination of drugs. Kim says the period is too painful to remember clearly, but he has some understanding of what the Jacksons are going through.
"In the first couple of weeks it's crazy and you're just trying to come to grips with the enormity of it," recalls the quietly spoken father.
"There was a funeral to arrange and we didn't want just anyone doing it. It's a very private thing and with Heath being so private we wanted it to reflect that.
"Heath [and Michael] were both very private and as the closest people to them, you want to protect that. We found ourselves asking each other, ‘Would Heath have done it this way?' If not, then we weren't going to either.
"It's not for me to advise the Jackson family how to get through this, but what I will say is the saddest times are now, one-and-a-half years later. The media interest has died down, so I'm no longer surrounded by Heath and all I want to do is pick up the phone, but I can't."
Kim is blunt about the role drugs played in both the deaths.
"At the end of the day we're all responsible for what goes into us and I blame Heath for not being responsible," admits Kim, whose famous actor son combined drugs prescribed by a trio of doctors across three countries, while battling insomnia and the flu.
For the full story see this week's Woman's Day, on sale July 6, 2009.
i just picked up the new vanity fair magazine yesterday. i saw it in shoprite, and ran to get it as quickly as i could. it was the last one. but the reason that it caught my eye, was because heath was on the front cover. it has a whole long article about heath in it. and as i was flipping through it when i got home, i realized, that on the page where it shows the table of contents (with all the page numbers and stuff like that). there was a man, and he was standing near a wall, and on the wall was the number 22. and my mouth just dropped. so what do all these 22's mean? something has got to give! a 22 in a magazine with heath on the front cover, and an article about him in it too. just thought i'd share that with you guys.
First you would want to read the comments on this blog from the hope for heath person back on June 23. Not nice at all.
Guess you're supporting this person who admitted to having mental conditions on this blog, would snap at people and threaten to quit at least once a week. What happened to hope for heath?
Well I'm glad that there are people who still believe in this blog. It was the original and still is.
There is a lot of very interesting information and discussion going on over here...
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.com/
...that I think is directly relevant to whether Heath may still be alive, mainly because it addresses the question whether it's possible for a celebrity death to be faked. I think in order for this to happen it would require two very rare things. The first thing is a huge amount of money. The other thing is a huge amount of talent, creativity, and imagination.
As for the money, for Heath you don't have to look any further than the billionaire MKO. And for MJ, whatever state his finances were in, not only was he potentially a billionaire, he also had friends who are super-rich, and as they said about him, nobody could say "no" to MJ.
As for the talent, creativity, and imagination, for Heath I'd call him the greatest actor who ever lived, but he also worked with the Nolans who are amazingly creative and have created stories about several characters who faked their deaths. As for MJ, regardless of whether everyone likes his music or not, by the numbers he is the most successful entertainer in history, with the talent, creativity, and imagination to match, plus he had access to the world's foremost creative talents.
Lost Highlander specifically said, and quote: "I think is directly relevant to whether Heath may still be alive, mainly because it addresses the question whether it's possible for a celebrity death to be faked." Which I think is a valid point and therefore worth the discussion...wouldn't you agree?
Yes, everyone saw that already. It has been on television now for almost one week. Can we all be certain that Heath Ledger's family cried for him when he died? An educated guess perhaps? They may feel very strong emotions to this day.
Maybe you should return to the other blog for the conversation involving two and nitety night mail.
Valserra, maybe you should just shut up about the other blog! Those kids first brought up the subject of the 22nd parallel, something that was not done here, and they found out loads of stuff with their digging around. Anyway, now that they have gone, time to let go, eh? Or have they just rattled your cage too much that you can't let go. Do you just not understand the freedom of speech, something which is highly recommended on this blog, but people like you just won't let go and are determined to keep on bringing up. I have nothing to do with either of the blogs, just in case you thought otherwise. I just watch and see what is going on. It was really bad what you did to those kids, and you should hang your head in shame. This blog lost real gems in them, and just where were you, or anyone else on this blog, when it was only them who were keeping it going for most of the time? From what I have read, and going by profiles, none of you were there at the time when the nasty prank was played. Maybe they are all just keeping touch through e-mails now? Who knows? But those kids were damn clever.
The August, 2009 issue of Vanity Fair features the last days of Heath Ledger. The following is an excerpt from the feature on Heath.
His friend and agent, Steve Alexander, chased after him and engaged him in conversation through the door. "He was ready to bust out of the gate, but he didn't want to step on the gas and become something that he didn't want to become a matinee idol," says Alexander. "He was a private person, and he didn't want to share his personal history with the press. It just wasn't up for sale. That's part of the reason he initially tore down his career. He wasn't motivated by money or stardom, but by the respect of his peers, and for people to walk out of a movie theater after they'd seen something that he'd worked on and say, 'Wow, he really disappeared into that character.' He was striving to become an 'illusionist,' as he called it, able to create characters that weren't there."
I found a much better article on this site; http://thewondersofalice.blogspot.com/ Read the whole article for yourself. Maybe you're all just too jittery after what happened to Michael, that you have all forgotten the reason why the Ledger Legend must go on.
Sorry to disappoint you, Valserra, but you are completely way off the mark! I have heard of these people, but only because of the way they were treat! I'm not associated with any blog, except for my own, and I only know what I have read. I will publish any remark regarding your treatment of these people, just to show what goes on here. I just read everything that has to do with Heath, and I do it in the spirit of Heath and not some cartoon character. This was not the original site. Some sites have being going since 2006. I just read what is going on, and I will write anything which I think is inappropriate, even though I actually know who the real blogger is, and a 40 year old man should have more sense than to drag down these girls. I can even remember when he was a no body, and only got the idea because his land-lady said he looked a bit like Heath. Have you ever seen any photos' of him? I think that if he really did look like Heath, then he wouldn't hide behind his minions
Terry Gilliam remarked that Heath was trying to be decent and graceful through his separation from Michelle Williams in 2007. Reading this in the new Vanity Fair gives further consideration as to how this matter greatly affected him.
I thought the statements from Steve Alexander were interesting because Heath was able to immerse himself completely into whatever character he played. And as Alexander indicated that he was striving to become an 'illusionist'.
All of this talent and the ability to possibly disappear perhaps?
@ Valserra: We think alike my friend. When I read the bit about him wanting to become an "illusionist", the first word that popped into my mind was "dissapear"...but it very well may be due to the after effects of watching "The Illusionist" (the movie).
P.S. - Dissapearing is not as hard as everyone makes it to be (been there, done that). Of course, I don't have a recognizable face and that is a factor to consider, but I am sure being the genius that he is that wouldn't be difficult at all...it would actually be fun! :D
i think heath did disappear, and he did it in a well, different way. when i read that part, i kinda thought the same thing, and thought of the word disappear. ironic? or on purpose? i say on purpose.
heath is still alive of course though. we all know he faked his death. i guess he just blends in with the crowd now. i think thats what he always wanted.
The fact that Heath was hesitant about acting in the Batman franchise and all of the publicity relevant to it, may be a good reason for his disappearance.
Why not consider a possibility that he may have appeared in public and blended in quite smoothly.
I agree Valserra, the guy is a chameleon. He could have been in public plenty of times completely unnoticed, he did that sort of thing all the time before the "incident". He is the ONE guy who can pull that off, anywhere, anytime. :D
i do think that heath disappeared because he knew how big of a star the dark knight would make him. heath knew what he was doing when he faked his death, he did it for a reason. and most likely because he was always afraid of being too famous. poor guy.
I looked in on The Masses website, a group of artists and directors Heath was involved with. His name is on the listings of, Director and The People. You may find it at:
www.wearethemasses.com
The Joker, I agree with you and in following your thought, he seemed to effect this in the most subtle of manners. Upon seeing his name here, it was a moment to reflect and wonder.
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I'm Not There, for whatever reason Heath may have disappeared, consider that he simply wished to separate his private life from his professional work to no avail.
you're welcome! you're really polite. i wish more people were like you. i have this part of this article in my vanity fair (the one about heath) magazine that i wanna type up. but i'll do that tomorrow or later.
okay here's the part of the article i want to share with you. i'm not exactly sure what ad-lib means. but i think he was asking to change something in the script. like making it up as he went along. okay here's the part of the article:
[Gilliam speaking] One of the weirdest things was, Heath's last spoken words on film were, 'Don't shoot the messenger.' Johnny called me up and said 'You know, I've got an idea. Could I ad-lib something?' I said 'Sure, what are you going to ad-lib?' 'I want to say, don't shoot the messenger.' Without knowing what Heath had said, Johnny said that. 'I thought, what the f***? Heath is still out there. Johnny's channeling Heath somehow.'
this sorta made me think. and when i read this part, i thought, what if heath called johnny and told him to add that in? i mean its possible! besides its way too uncanny. i mean, what are the chances that he's going to call to ask to add it in, and without knowing? weird, if you ask me. besides, i think this could mean something.
I am telling you guys, Heath is in Johnny's island...that's what I think. There is not two more similar people in the world than those two, if you ask me. :D
i'm glad you agree with me. gilliam must have freaked out when johnny said that. and i do think its possible heath could be on johnny's island. but it is also possible that heath could be somewhere else, and called johnny and told him to ad-lib that in. anything is possible.
it sure is a weird coincidence. i don't even think these are coincidences anymore. idk what they are. but i know that they must have been done on purpose.
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It's just after 10 pm, California time. I was just watching Larry King on CNN. They had a live report from Michael Jackson's rented Los Angeles house. Behind the reporter was a police tow truck. She said there have been several police tow trucks there and they would be there all through the night. She said she asked the police what the tow trucks were for but didn't get an answer. She's hoping to see what it is they're towing when they drive away. Larry King said, "That's very strange." Yeah, very strange.
Wow, that was so much better quality then the last one. You can definetly see the body moving in this one. That is so freaky...Maybe we may have anothher celebrity fake death. I can understand why he would do it. Maybe it was just the angle of the camera but that was a different perspective then the last video and we still so the body lift up so it odviously wasn't the angle.
What the hell is going on?!
Police tow trucks, a missing doctor, and death by the painkiller drug Demerol? The story continues...
From the UK Times Online:
June 26, 2009
LAPD 'searching for Michael Jackson doctor'
Los Angeles police are searching for Michael Jackson's personal physician today to question him after allegations that the star received a potentially fatal dose of the painkiller Demerol before his death.
Earlier reports suggested that Jackson might have been given a large dose of the drug to help deal with pain after rehearsals for a series of 50 comeback concerts in London.
Los Angeles police spokeswoman Karen Rayner says that police had towed a BMW owned by one of the singer's doctors from Jackson’s house.
She said: “We have not been able to interview the doctor yet. His car was impounded because it may contain medications or other evidence that may assist the coroner in determining the cause of death.”
Ms Rayner added that the doctor was not under criminal investigation but coroner’s investigators wanted to contact him.
Family members told TMZ that Jackson had received his daily shot of Demerol at 11.30am, but the dosage was "too much".
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6585015.ece
It seems as simple as the way it is put in the following news article from The Sun in the UK. It makes a believable story, except for other nagging details that are questionable. I still wonder if this is a pre-written script. The motive and means for this to be fake still exists.
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An Emergency Room source at UCLA hospital said Jackson aides told medics he had collapsed after an injection of potent Demerol — similar to morphine.
A Jacko source said: “Shortly after taking the Demerol he started to experience slow shallow breathing.
“His breathing gradually got slower and slower until it stopped.
“His staff started mouth-to-mouth and an ambulance was called which got there in eight minutes “But found he was in full respiratory arrest, no breathing and no pulse. They started full CPR and rushed him to hospital.
“When he arrived they started resuscitation, giving him heart shocks and inserted a breathing tube and other supportive measures to try and save his life.
“He never regained consciousness. The family was told that he had passed.”
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/bizarre/2501914/Michael-Jacksons-last-moments.html
Wow, if there is something to this, it's one helluva "plan."
You know what just occurred to me? We ALREADY have the Michael Jackson 911 call, (although there are speculations that he might not be dead as- well). However, we know that in Heath's case, the masseuse called 911 EVENTUALLY, why don't we have that call? Maybe we do and I have just never heard it, but where is it? Interesting ......
its quite obvious that michael jackson has passed away. his bodybag was way too big for him not to be in it. just because heath faked his death, it doesn't mean that when another celeb passes away. that you automatically think, "oh he faked his death." its not like that. michael was going to start touring again. and he was excited for that. and i don't think he would want to fake his death right before the biggest tour of his life. we all know that heath faked his death. but just because heath did. it doesn't mean that every other celeb would do the same thing. lets get real. michael has passed away, and he's in a better place now.
Here's a list of celebrities who have died since June, 2008, and these are only the most well-known from a long list. Has anyone thought that ANY of these deaths were fake? No, not any of them, not until Michael Jackson.
Beatrice Arthur
Majel Barrett
Richard “Mr” Blackwell
David Carradine
Michael Crichton
Michael Debakey
Dom DeLuise
Farrah Fawcett
Estelle Getty
Paul Harvey
Isaac Hayes
Jesse Helms
Van Johnson
Eartha Kitt
Berenard “Bernie Mac” McCullough
Patrick McGoohan
Ed McMahon
Ricardo Montalban
Paul Newman
Jerry Reed
Wendy Richard
Natasha Richardson
Alexander Solzhenitsyn
John Updike
Sunny von Bulow
James Whitmore
The full list is here:
http://www.whosaliveandwhosdead.com/search.asp?pagetitle=Recent+Deaths&dodcrit=after&dodmonth=6&doddate=27&dodyear=2008
As much as i'd love to believe he isn't really dead, don't dead bodies move anyway?
i still think that michael jackson has passed on. like i said, he was so excited for his tour, why would he want to do this all of a sudden? and it was obvious that heath faked his death. his bodybag was so flat.
Apparently Michael jackson was fascinated with death.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2009/06/28/2009-06-28_fascinated_by_death_spent_5_hrs_with_james_body_had_many_questions.html
One of my coworkers also told me she heard a report (I think it was 1010wins or cnn) that Michael Jackson used to fake his own death right in front of the kids as a joke. Not sure how true this is exactly, but just throwing it out there.
Also, there's now reports of a time-delay discrepancy calling 911
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hQzxoYUpf7B-v0Ig5QP_JkckrHgQD994LPQG0
and a 30-minute delay while the doctor tried to find a working phone
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/michael_jackson/2009/06/29/2009-06-29_doctor_frantically_tried_to_find_working_phone_while_michael_jackson_was_dying_l.html
Heath's death and Michael Jackson's death might not be directly related, but in my mind they are connected. One connection is Johnny Depp. Remember "Heath's beach" on his inaccessible island? And who was the first and so far only actor put forward to play Jackson if there is a movie made about him? Depp. He was even asked about it, although he denied it. Still, it seems there are dots to be connected here.
I've been keeping up with the MJ developments with the idea in mind that it might be a hoax. When I watched Jermaine interviewed by Larry King it was very sad and depressing and convincing. I wouldn't say that Jermaine would lie about this, but is it possible even he might not know what really happened? I don't know much about the Jacksons but Jermaine seems to be the one who has always been closest to Michael and who always speaks for him. On the other hand, could it be possible that Jermaine might be protecting Michael in this if he was in danger and had to escape?
For the rest of us we can only go by what we see in the media. One website I've been watching has this new post:
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.com/?p=174
I haven't been closely watching MJ over the years and don't know if his appearance has recently changed again, but is that really him at the March press conference in London for the This Is It tour? This website points out many differences. It seems like it's possible that was not him at the press conference, but even if it wasn't him, what does that mean exactly? It doesn't for certain mean the real MJ is either dead or alive, it just adds to the mystery.
There are many things about MJ's appearance that could have changed recently but some things can't be altered. The main thing I think that cannot be faked or altered and that can identify a person for sure is their hands. Finger length is a "biomarker." In a comment someone said the "imposter's" fingers are shorter than the real MJ's. I watched both of those videos closely and paused both when he holds his hands up where you can see his finger length, but I'm just not certain. Does anyone else catch something?
Here's the comment that got me interested in paying close attention to the proportion of Michael Jackson's fingers:
***The Guy in London who prompted “This Is It” was not Michael Jackson. His voice was too deep, and if you look at his hands the fingers are short and stumpy. Michael Jackson's hands are elegant and he has long fingers.***
That was on this MJ death hoax website I've been following:
http://derekclontz.wordpress.com/2009/06/29/michael-jackson-faked-his-death-say-sources-with-comeback-tour-to-be-biggest-ever/
Two other websites are here:
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.com/
http://www.michaeljacksonsightings.com/
There is a mix of phony-sounding stories and serious thought going on in these websites.
http://www.popeater.com/movies/article/inside-heath-ledgers-custody-battle/548622?icid=main|main|dl2|link3|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.popeater.com%2Fmovies%2Farticle%2Finside-heath-ledgers-custody-battle%2F548622
i still think heath is alive. he wasn't in the bodybag. i don't know about michael though. but i don't think he would fake his death right before a tour.
New interview with Heath's father in light of Michael Jackson's death:
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From The Daily Telegraph, Sydney, Australia
Heath Ledger family's pain revived by Michael Jackson's death
July 06, 2009
The death of Michael Jackson has opened some old wounds for the family of Heath Ledger, especially his father Kim, who has admitted there is no one else to blame for his son's death than the actor himself.
Just days after his friends and colleagues came forward in an interview with Vanity Fair magazine to claim a combination of prescription medication, insomnia and the split with Michelle Williams caused the Dark Knight star to "snap", Ledger's Perth-based dad has revealed Jackson's drug-related death has hit too close to home.
Still grieving for his son every day, Kim said the similarities between Heath and Jackson's death had left his family reeling.
"On the day Michael died I spoke to my daughters and former wife Sally and we all had such a down day," he told Woman's Day, which is out today.
"At the end of the day we're all responsible for what goes into us and I blame Heath for not being responsible."
It is the first time he has spoken so bluntly about his son's passing, and is a strong contrast to the emotive acceptance speech he gave at last year's Oscars, where he accepted the award for Best Supporting Actor on behalf of Heath.
While the publicity-hating star combined drugs from a trio of doctors across three different countries, it has been claimed that Jackson had up to eight prescription and narcotic-based drugs in his system at the time of his death on June 25.
http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,25738387-5012964,00.html
I found a little more of the Kim Ledger interview at the Australian Woman's Day magazine website, but it says the full article is in the print edition:
* * *
Jacko – just like Heath
Jacko's death has reopened old wounds for Heath Ledger's family. His dad Kim talks to Natalee Fuhrmann in Perth.
Kim Ledger's grief for his son is with him every day, but the similarities between Heath's overdose from prescription drugs and Michael Jackson's death have left the family reeling.
"On the day Michael died I spoke to my daughters and former wife Sally and we all had such a down day," Kim says.
It has been almost 18 months since Heath, 28, was found in his rented New York bachelor pad, unconscious after taking a toxic combination of drugs. Kim says the period is too painful to remember clearly, but he has some understanding of what the Jacksons are going through.
"In the first couple of weeks it's crazy and you're just trying to come to grips with the enormity of it," recalls the quietly spoken father.
"There was a funeral to arrange and we didn't want just anyone doing it. It's a very private thing and with Heath being so private we wanted it to reflect that.
"Heath [and Michael] were both very private and as the closest people to them, you want to protect that. We found ourselves asking each other, ‘Would Heath have done it this way?' If not, then we weren't going to either.
"It's not for me to advise the Jackson family how to get through this, but what I will say is the saddest times are now, one-and-a-half years later. The media interest has died down, so I'm no longer surrounded by Heath and all I want to do is pick up the phone, but I can't."
Kim is blunt about the role drugs played in both the deaths.
"At the end of the day we're all responsible for what goes into us and I blame Heath for not being responsible," admits Kim, whose famous actor son combined drugs prescribed by a trio of doctors across three countries, while battling insomnia and the flu.
For the full story see this week's Woman's Day, on sale July 6, 2009.
http://womansday.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=833622
i just picked up the new vanity fair magazine yesterday. i saw it in shoprite, and ran to get it as quickly as i could. it was the last one. but the reason that it caught my eye, was because heath was on the front cover. it has a whole long article about heath in it. and as i was flipping through it when i got home, i realized, that on the page where it shows the table of contents (with all the page numbers and stuff like that). there was a man, and he was standing near a wall, and on the wall was the number 22. and my mouth just dropped. so what do all these 22's mean? something has got to give! a 22 in a magazine with heath on the front cover, and an article about him in it too. just thought i'd share that with you guys.
Yeah, I hear you...22's everywhere...it's a catch 22. :D
you're telling me its a catch 22! you have to get the magazine if you haven't got it yet. there's a lot of important information about heath in it.
This one may be of interest:
The 22nd parallel passes through Western Australia and Perth, the birth city of Heath!
Just keep looking!
hey, you guys should watch the dark knight on july 18th...thats the day it came out last year. i know i'm going to watch it on july 18th.
Nice being able to comment without being harassed from hope for heath people anymore and say things freely again.
A lot of news about where Michael Jackson will be buried. His family want it to be Neverland and it's getting more interesting everyday.
the hope for heath people meant well. they had good theories.
I'm Not There
First you would want to read the comments on this blog from the hope for heath person back on June 23. Not nice at all.
Guess you're supporting this person who admitted to having mental conditions on this blog, would snap at people and threaten to quit at least once a week. What happened to hope for heath?
Well I'm glad that there are people who still believe in this blog. It was the original and still is.
There is a lot of very interesting information and discussion going on over here...
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.com/
...that I think is directly relevant to whether Heath may still be alive, mainly because it addresses the question whether it's possible for a celebrity death to be faked. I think in order for this to happen it would require two very rare things. The first thing is a huge amount of money. The other thing is a huge amount of talent, creativity, and imagination.
As for the money, for Heath you don't have to look any further than the billionaire MKO. And for MJ, whatever state his finances were in, not only was he potentially a billionaire, he also had friends who are super-rich, and as they said about him, nobody could say "no" to MJ.
As for the talent, creativity, and imagination, for Heath I'd call him the greatest actor who ever lived, but he also worked with the Nolans who are amazingly creative and have created stories about several characters who faked their deaths. As for MJ, regardless of whether everyone likes his music or not, by the numbers he is the most successful entertainer in history, with the talent, creativity, and imagination to match, plus he had access to the world's foremost creative talents.
i thought this blog was about heath, not michael jackson.
@ I'm not there
Lost Highlander specifically said, and quote: "I think is directly relevant to whether Heath may still be alive, mainly because it addresses the question whether it's possible for a celebrity death to be faked." Which I think is a valid point and therefore worth the discussion...wouldn't you agree?
but michael can't be alive, his daughter cried a lot on stage. she showed a lot of emotion.
watch the video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUAQGWIsSio
Yes, everyone saw that already. It has been on television now for almost one week. Can we all be certain that Heath Ledger's family cried for him when he died? An educated guess perhaps? They may feel very strong emotions to this day.
Maybe you should return to the other blog for the conversation involving two and nitety night mail.
Valserra, maybe you should just shut up about the other blog! Those kids first brought up the subject of the 22nd parallel, something that was not done here, and they found out loads of stuff with their digging around.
Anyway, now that they have gone, time to let go, eh?
Or have they just rattled your cage too much that you can't let go.
Do you just not understand the freedom of speech, something which is highly recommended on this blog, but people like you just won't let go and are determined to keep on bringing up.
I have nothing to do with either of the blogs, just in case you thought otherwise. I just watch and see what is going on. It was really bad what you did to those kids, and you should hang your head in shame. This blog lost real gems in them, and just where were you, or anyone else on this blog, when it was only them who were keeping it going for most of the time? From what I have read, and going by profiles, none of you were there at the time when the nasty prank was played.
Maybe they are all just keeping touch through e-mails now? Who knows? But those kids were damn clever.
heath isn't dead though
The August, 2009 issue of Vanity Fair features the last days of Heath Ledger. The following is an excerpt from the feature on Heath.
His friend and agent, Steve Alexander, chased after him and engaged him in conversation through the door. "He was ready to bust out of the gate, but he didn't want to step on the gas and become something that he didn't want to become a matinee idol," says Alexander. "He was a private person, and he didn't want to share his personal history with the press. It just wasn't up for sale. That's part of the reason he initially tore down his career. He wasn't motivated by money or stardom, but by the respect of his peers, and for people to walk out of a movie theater after they'd seen something that he'd worked on and say, 'Wow, he really disappeared into that character.' He was striving to become an 'illusionist,' as he called it, able to create characters that weren't there."
I found a much better article on this site;
http://thewondersofalice.blogspot.com/
Read the whole article for yourself.
Maybe you're all just too jittery after what happened to Michael, that you have all forgotten the reason why the Ledger Legend must go on.
From a concerned browser.
From a concerned browser
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amron
Games up dude!
Blah blah blah blah...here we go again!
valserra,
i know all about the magazine, i bought it.
Sorry to disappoint you, Valserra, but you are completely way off the mark!
I have heard of these people, but only because of the way they were treat! I'm not associated with any blog, except for my own, and I only know what I have read.
I will publish any remark regarding your treatment of these people, just to show what goes on here. I just read everything that has to do with Heath, and I do it in the spirit of Heath and not some cartoon character.
This was not the original site. Some sites have being going since 2006.
I just read what is going on, and I will write anything which I think is inappropriate, even though I actually know who the real blogger is, and a 40 year old man should have more sense than to drag down these girls.
I can even remember when he was a no body, and only got the idea because his land-lady said he looked a bit like Heath. Have you ever seen any photos' of him? I think that if he really did look like Heath, then he wouldn't hide behind his minions
Terry Gilliam remarked that Heath was trying to be decent and graceful through his separation from Michelle Williams in 2007. Reading this in the new Vanity Fair gives further consideration as to how this matter greatly affected him.
I'm Not There
I thought the statements from Steve Alexander were interesting because Heath was able to immerse himself completely into whatever character he played. And as Alexander indicated that he was striving to become an 'illusionist'.
All of this talent and the ability to possibly disappear perhaps?
@ Valserra: We think alike my friend. When I read the bit about him wanting to become an "illusionist", the first word that popped into my mind was "dissapear"...but it very well may be due to the after effects of watching "The Illusionist" (the movie).
P.S. - Dissapearing is not as hard as everyone makes it to be (been there, done that). Of course, I don't have a recognizable face and that is a factor to consider, but I am sure being the genius that he is that wouldn't be difficult at all...it would actually be fun! :D
valserra
i think heath did disappear, and he did it in a well, different way. when i read that part, i kinda thought the same thing, and thought of the word disappear. ironic? or on purpose? i say on purpose.
heath is still alive of course though. we all know he faked his death. i guess he just blends in with the crowd now. i think thats what he always wanted.
The quote is actually "Immortality is not as difficult as people think". and it comes from Dr Parnassus.
@ The Joker:
I agree and believe that his sharp artistic technique would lend him to create the perfect illusion of reality.
You having this clever ability my friend, would understand this all very well.
The Illusionist being an excellent example...
I'm Not There
The fact that Heath was hesitant about acting in the Batman franchise and all of the publicity relevant to it, may be a good reason for his disappearance.
Why not consider a possibility that he may have appeared in public and blended in quite smoothly.
I agree Valserra, the guy is a chameleon. He could have been in public plenty of times completely unnoticed, he did that sort of thing all the time before the "incident". He is the ONE guy who can pull that off, anywhere, anytime. :D
valserra
i do think that heath disappeared because he knew how big of a star the dark knight would make him. heath knew what he was doing when he faked his death, he did it for a reason. and most likely because he was always afraid of being too famous. poor guy.
I looked in on The Masses website, a group of artists and directors Heath was involved with. His name is on the listings of, Director and The People. You may find it at:
www.wearethemasses.com
The Joker, I agree with you and in following your thought, he seemed to effect this in the most subtle of manners. Upon seeing his name here, it was a moment to reflect and wonder.
*****
I'm Not There, for whatever reason Heath may have disappeared, consider that he simply wished to separate his private life from his professional work to no avail.
Now the funny thing is, you can work in music anonymously...did you know that? So he can still make a buck and keep his privacy. :D
This certainly adds to the mystery behind Mr. Ledger, thank you.
valserra
i realize that. i'm a big heath fan so i know a lot about heath.
I'm Not There,
Would you like to share everything you know about him?
valserra
well ask me some questions about heath and i'll answer them.
I'm Not There
Perhaps you would like to share all of your information about Heath Ledger, since this is an open discussion about him.
valserra
okay, why not. but i'm not going to share ALL of it. because thats too much to type. and here...we...go.
heath has been in 22 movies/tv shows in total
heath's favorite color is orange
heath's birthday is april, 4th, 1979.
heath's favorite song is old man by neil young
heath said he had the time of his life playing the joker.
heath was born in perth, australia
heath says that he was always painfully shy
heath always had a different way of dressing
heath never knew what to do with his hands
i think thats enough information for now. i really don't feel like typing that much early in the morning. i'll share more with you later though.
Interesting information, thanks and looking forward to more in the future.
valserra
you're welcome! you're really polite. i wish more people were like you. i have this part of this article in my vanity fair (the one about heath) magazine that i wanna type up. but i'll do that tomorrow or later.
I'm Not There,
I appreciate your comments and taking the time to share your information with everyone here.
And again, looking forward to more.
okay here's the part of the article i want to share with you. i'm not exactly sure what ad-lib means. but i think he was asking to change something in the script. like making it up as he went along. okay here's the part of the article:
[Gilliam speaking] One of the weirdest things was, Heath's last spoken words on film were, 'Don't shoot the messenger.' Johnny called me up and said 'You know, I've got an idea. Could I ad-lib something?' I said 'Sure, what are you going to ad-lib?' 'I want to say, don't shoot the messenger.' Without knowing what Heath had said, Johnny said that. 'I thought, what the f***? Heath is still out there. Johnny's channeling Heath somehow.'
this sorta made me think. and when i read this part, i thought, what if heath called johnny and told him to add that in? i mean its possible! besides its way too uncanny. i mean, what are the chances that he's going to call to ask to add it in, and without knowing? weird, if you ask me. besides, i think this could mean something.
I am telling you guys, Heath is in Johnny's island...that's what I think. There is not two more similar people in the world than those two, if you ask me. :D
oh and by the way, one year from today, the dark knight came out.
I'm Not There
It could be possible definitely! Imagine the look on Gilliams's face when Johnny said that too.
And great you placed this excerpt here.
And considering what The Joker has said about Johnny's island, could it be?!
valserra
i'm glad you agree with me. gilliam must have freaked out when johnny said that. and i do think its possible heath could be on johnny's island. but it is also possible that heath could be somewhere else, and called johnny and told him to ad-lib that in. anything is possible.
I'm Not There
As you said, the possiblity of him being anywhere, but if Heath is still here, I hope he's living the peaceful life he wanted.
valserra
i do believe that heath is still here, living a nice peaceful life.
heath ledger is not dead,
when are you going to make a new post?
Re: "Catch 22's"
I found yet another odd coincidence: Heath's last movie, Imaginarium of Dr. Parnassus, premiered at cannes on May 22nd...
kim,
i already knew that dr.p premiered on the date may 22nd.
I'm Not There,
Yeah I figured that, but it's just one more strange coincidence to add to the pile.
kim,
it sure is a weird coincidence. i don't even think these are coincidences anymore. idk what they are. but i know that they must have been done on purpose.
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